IRC Log for #OpenSocial on 2008-11-19

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  1. [00:07:03] * charlieville (n=charliev@66.218.169.47) has joined #opensocial
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  3. [00:17:09] <Vamsi> Hi Jason
  4. [00:19:15] <Vamsi> apijason ?
  5. [00:19:30] <apijason> Hi Vamsi.
  6. [00:19:53] <apijason> Hi weitzelm.
  7. [00:19:56] <Vamsi> Finally 0.8 is out
  8. [00:20:02] <apijason> Indeed.
  9. [00:21:15] <Vamsi> our servers crashed yet again though we are on a cdn
  10. [00:21:22] <Vamsi> moving them again
  11. [00:21:44] <Vamsi> once that done we would be working on migrating to 0.8
  12. [00:22:16] <Vamsi> btb any updates on Blabr ?
  13. [00:22:20] <apijason> Cool. It shouldn't be too much work -- most of the changes are syntactical.
  14. [00:22:36] <apijason> I didn't review it. I'll ask the reviewer to send you an update soon.
  15. [00:24:02] <Vamsi> they send soem mods yesterday , fixed them too
  16. [00:24:28] <Vamsi> just waiting to get it going
  17. [00:42:25] <apijason> Understood. I'll make sure the reviewer gets your feedback to you soon.
  18. [00:45:26] <Vamsi> using 0.8 can we mail all the member who have installed the app , like a newsletter / app updates ?
  19. [00:45:36] <Vamsi> birthday greets / goft
  20. [00:56:53] <Vamsi> ??
  21. [01:00:45] <apijason> No
  22. [01:01:11] <weitzelm> jason...
  23. [01:01:20] <weitzelm> got a ?? or two on the client api
  24. [01:01:30] <weitzelm> btw.. just what i was looking for
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  26. [01:02:12] <apijason> Hi weitzelm. :)
  27. [01:05:32] <weitzelm> i was looking over the java client, where/how do we get the token for the container (this is based off of the getting started wiki page)
  28. [01:06:13] <weitzelm> i ended up null'ing this out and hitting the shindig container i got running, but wanted to hit orkut or something similar
  29. [01:06:44] <apijason> In the near future, this won't be necessary. I'm hoping to check in something by the end of the week. In the meantime, you need to steal a security token from a running app. Just bust an app out of its IFrame in orkut and find the st parameter. This is the security token that you need to pass in.
  30. [01:06:51] <weitzelm> (i apologize if this is a silly question, but i'm still a bit of a newbie)
  31. [01:06:53] <apijason> This is just a stopgap solution.
  32. [01:07:00] <apijason> Not silly at all. :)
  33. [01:07:11] <apijason> I haven't documented it simply because you won't have to do this for too much longer.
  34. [01:07:40] <weitzelm> ah. ok. any quick steps on how to do this
  35. [01:08:05] <weitzelm> e.g. can i invoke something and get this from the eclipse tpc mon
  36. [01:08:17] <weitzelm> or do i grab this from the xml definition of the orkut widget
  37. [01:09:03] <weitzelm> [aside] first name is mark
  38. [01:11:36] <apijason> The quickest procedure is basically what I described above. You have to have orkut open and inspect the parameters of the app in the IFrame. Just right-click in the frame in Firefox, select "Open frame in new tab", then look for the st query-string parameter in the URL.
  39. [01:11:57] <weitzelm> got it. will give this a try
  40. [01:12:13] <apijason> This expires after 60 min. so you'll have to do it again after awhile.
  41. [01:12:28] <weitzelm> that should not be a big deal.
  42. [01:13:39] <weitzelm> ok... what about the appId? in the spec it says that it stores this on behalf of the app
  43. [01:14:25] <weitzelm> so when i run this against shindig, i get a null pointer b/c "test" is not found. but if i change that to count, i get "0". i think i'm missing something here....
  44. [01:15:28] <apijason> Sorry, the key "test" contains a custom value. It will return null if you don't have the key. I really need to add some error checking here.
  45. [01:15:48] <apijason> To get a full list of keys, call the OpenSocialObject method fieldNames which returns an array of Strings.
  46. [01:16:01] <weitzelm> ahhh... ok
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  48. [01:16:33] <weitzelm> so what exactly is the "291092957065"?
  49. [01:17:12] <apijason> That's the app ID of the OpenSocial Developer App which I used in my example.
  50. [01:17:38] <apijason> Ideally, the container should provide this to your client so you won't necessarily need it.
  51. [01:18:15] <weitzelm> ok. so i am running the shindig container locally, how would i get this id so i can pass in the proper value?
  52. [01:20:16] <apijason> Hmm, I'm not sure about this. If you run a gadget rendered in Shindig, does it not have an ID associated with it?
  53. [01:22:18] <weitzelm> hmmm.... not sure either. let me see if i can try it real quick. i can debug both the java script and the container code. can you think of a quick place/breakpoitn to look at?
  54. [01:25:26] <apijason> Not off the top of my head. I'm used to the appId being available in the URL and in signed requests to a third-party resource.
  55. [01:26:05] <weitzelm> hmmm... ok. let me pipe this through tcp mon
  56. [01:29:59] <weitzelm> ok.... nothing is jumping out at me. let me troll around here a bit and see if i can dig it out
  57. [01:31:05] <weitzelm> so, when we have questions about this, i'm assuming that you will start a forum topic on the client page, or will you use the shindig mailing list?
  58. [01:31:16] <weitzelm> (which is where i saw the post for the client)
  59. [01:32:34] <apijason> The group is at http://groups.google.com/group/opensocial-client-libraries. This will likely be where all client library discussion will occur.
  60. [01:32:56] <weitzelm> ok.. that's what i thought, but wanted to be sure
  61. [01:33:53] <weitzelm> ok... this make any sense?
  62. [01:33:53] <weitzelm> "iframeUrl":"/gadgets/ifr
  63. [01:33:53] <weitzelm> ?container=default&mid=1&v=d54b10334b70cf42c6b941ee271fc6e3&lang=default&country=DEFAULT&view=default
  64. [01:33:54] <weitzelm> &url=http%3A%2F%2Flocalhost%3A8079%2Fgadgets%2Ffiles%2Fsamplecontainer%2Fexamples%2FSocialHelloWorld
  65. [01:33:54] <weitzelm> .xml","userPrefs":{}}]}
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  67. [01:36:28] <apijason> It makes sense but I still don't see the app ID. I'll work this out a bit later. In the meantime, you can't use the client library to update app data so this function isn't really very useful just yet. :) By the time it is, this will hopefully be a non-issue.
  68. [01:37:00] <weitzelm> ok... i inspected the dom of the page with the widget loaded
  69. [01:37:26] <weitzelm> it looks like i get an id for the gadget, e.g.
  70. [01:38:04] <weitzelm> gadgets-->gadgets_-->gadget_0 has a property id with a value of 0
  71. [01:38:51] <apijason> I'm not sure how Shindig treats IDs but this seems reasonable.
  72. [01:39:55] <weitzelm> yeah... i'll play around with this a bit more to make sure this fits
  73. [01:40:19] <weitzelm> but one question though.... in your example, you have the code:
  74. [01:40:21] <weitzelm> OpenSocialObject o = c.fetchPersonAppData(friendId, personAppDataId);
  75. [01:40:46] <weitzelm> (i changed the args so i could sub them in easily as vars)
  76. [01:41:06] <apijason> OK
  77. [01:41:07] <weitzelm> if i'm just executing this from a client, then i may not have any gadgets
  78. [01:41:09] <weitzelm> right?
  79. [01:41:26] <weitzelm> so do i have an id in that case?
  80. [01:41:45] <weitzelm> (again, i'm probably just missing something here....)
  81. [01:42:37] <apijason> Right now, all app data is stored under an application's ID instead of a person's ID. So you'll need an appID either way.
  82. [01:42:43] <apijason> I believe this is changing in 0.9.
  83. [01:43:24] <weitzelm> aahhhhh.... ok
  84. [01:43:45] <weitzelm> so i need to find an easy way to get this in the "getting started" code that you posted
  85. [01:43:52] <weitzelm> then i could just pass it in
  86. [01:44:06] <weitzelm> ok. some of the lights are starting to go on....
  87. [01:44:47] <apijason> Honestly, I'm not sure how useful app data will be in the context of a REST-based app for this and other reasons, but it is part of the spec.
  88. [01:45:57] <weitzelm> so let me see if i've got the scenario (based on 0.9) idea of storing this with a user id
  89. [01:47:46] <weitzelm> so i'm some application that would like to persist a piece of data that is custom to my app. this is what the concept of appData is... it's a way for me to extend the information that is stored with the user
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  91. [01:48:18] <weitzelm> so next time the user, or more specifically the owner, hits my application, i can retrieve this based on some key that i provide
  92. [01:48:21] <weitzelm> right?
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  94. [01:49:56] <apijason> Yes, it's basically a way of storing string-based information without needing a back-end. Right now it's scoped to the app. In the future, it will be scoped to the user, which will make it much easier to use.
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  96. [01:50:24] <weitzelm> ok.
  97. [01:51:20] <weitzelm> in your client, have you thought about adding something for discovery?
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  99. [01:52:56] <weitzelm> the reason i was asking is b/c i was playing around with this but could not get it to work. wasn't sure if it was a shindig thing that wans't implemented or (more likely) that i just had my hacked together client wrong
  100. [01:53:34] <apijason> Yes, I'd like to add XRDS support soon. I just learned that hi5 has an XRDS file, so this may be what I end up using.
  101. [01:53:42] <apijason> For testing that is.
  102. [01:54:00] <weitzelm> shindig does not support this yet?
  103. [01:55:52] <apijason> It does, I've just been testing on orkut mostly since that's where the majority of my social information is.
  104. [01:56:45] <weitzelm> argh... ok. that means that i've hacked together something in the wrong way
  105. [01:59:21] <apijason> How so?
  106. [02:01:32] <weitzelm> hmmm... maybe i'm just not sure i'm looking at the right response
  107. [02:02:08] <weitzelm> here's the url: "http://localhost:8079/" with the header set to Accept "application/xrds+xml"
  108. [02:02:16] <weitzelm> the response is this:
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  110. [02:02:29] <weitzelm> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>Directory: /</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>
  111. [02:02:29] <weitzelm> <H1>Directory: /</H1><TABLE BORDER=0><TR><TD><A HREF="/META-INF/">META-INF/&nbsp;</TD><TD ALIGN=right>102 bytes&nbsp;</TD><TD>Nov 7, 2008 4:04:56 PM</TD></TR>
  112. [02:02:29] <weitzelm> <TR><TD><A HREF="/WEB-INF/">WEB-INF/&nbsp;</TD><TD ALIGN=right>272 bytes&nbsp;</TD><TD>Nov 7, 2008 4:04:56 PM</TD></TR>
  113. [02:02:29] <weitzelm> <TR><TD><A HREF="/gadgets/">gadgets/&nbsp;</TD><TD ALIGN=right>102 bytes&nbsp;</TD><TD>Nov 7, 2008 4:04:55 PM</TD></TR>
  114. [02:02:30] <weitzelm> </TABLE>
  115. [02:02:32] <weitzelm> </BODY></HTML>
  116. [02:02:58] <weitzelm> and the http header is 200 OK, so maybe this is the legit response
  117. [02:03:47] <weitzelm> but i was expecting something a bit more.... interesting, e.g. something that looked a bit like what's in the section 5 of the 0.8.1 spec
  118. [02:05:12] <weitzelm> yeah.. this looks like jetty just spewing out the directory
  119. [02:05:42] <weitzelm> b/c the container didn't respond with "X-XRDS"
  120. [02:10:26] <weitzelm> if i change the url to "http://localhost:8079/social/rest/" and add the accept of "application/xrds+xml" then here's the response i get
  121. [02:11:04] <weitzelm> <body><h2>HTTP ERROR: 501</h2><pre>The service is not implemented</pre>
  122. [02:11:04] <weitzelm> <p>RequestURI=/social/rest/
  123. [02:15:30] <apijason> Yeah, that doesn't look like the XRDS file.
  124. [02:19:02] <weitzelm> yeah. it does not
  125. [02:20:14] <weitzelm> ok... so is my url wrong, or maybe my header, or does shindig really not support this....???
  126. [02:21:42] <apijason> I know Partuza does. Partuza is a sample SNS built on top of Shindig. http://code.google.com/p/partuza/
  127. [02:23:08] <weitzelm> yeah... i saw shindig, but didn't quite know what to do with it yeat
  128. [02:23:27] <apijason> http://www.chabotc.com/xrds-test.php?url=http://www.partuza.nl
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  130. [02:26:20] <weitzelm> yeah... that looks better
  131. [02:30:32] <apijason> Great talking with you mark. I have to head out now, but I'll be back here on Thursday.
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  133. [02:31:17] <weitzelm> sounds good. thanks for all your help. if you open up a topic or two on the client code site, i'll try to post some thoughts there... take care & thanks
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  169. [11:55:51] <chiranjeevi> hello
  170. [11:56:15] <chiranjeevi> how do i test my opencial app in orkut ?
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  259. [23:24:56] <meximex_> hey guys...
  260. [23:25:49] * tmoore (n=tmoore@216-75-224-206.static.wiline.com) has left #opensocial
  261. [23:25:49] <meximex_> i would like to enable opensocial for my system. how can i do that?
  262. [23:26:37] <meximex_> i only find information about how to create applications but i want to enable using and building applications for my system/website/community.
  263. [23:32:00] * charlieville_ (n=charliev@66.218.169.55) has joined #opensocial
  264. [23:33:50] <meximex_> i only find information about how to create applications but i want to enable using and building applications for my system/website/community.
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