IRC Log for #OpenSocial on 2008-08-12

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  2. [00:02:29] <tanob> hello guys, i have a question, if not using the 0.8's RESTful feature, is there a way to import the friends list from services that implement opensocial ?
  3. [00:05:23] <suhail> tanob: http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-framework/downloads/list
  4. [00:10:16] <tanob> suhail: i need a way to import the friend's email/name, not develop a gadget, use it from server-side, for example, with PHP
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  6. [00:11:01] <suhail> tanob: users must install your application
  7. [00:11:14] <suhail> didn't google just release Friend Connect or some bullshit
  8. [00:11:22] <suhail> look @ that
  9. [00:11:28] <suhail> no REST API for that though
  10. [00:13:42] <tanob> hm, understand, i was thinking in a way to use opensocial to implement the tradicional "import address book" from the implementators of opensocial' spec
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  13. [00:48:07] <besquared> suhail: is this what you use personally?
  14. [00:52:44] <suhail> besquared: mhm
  15. [00:52:53] <besquared> interesting
  16. [00:53:24] <suhail> besquared: for all my applications.
  17. [00:53:53] <besquared> we use something we developed in house.. this looks interesting too
  18. [00:53:58] <besquared> man I'm having all kinds of hi5 problems
  19. [00:54:15] <suhail> besquared: thanks, this is my "in-house" framework, I just opensourced it later.
  20. [00:54:30] <besquared> yeah
  21. [00:54:36] <besquared> ours is still in flux
  22. [00:54:45] <besquared> and there are a bunch of if/elses cause myspace has some specific stuff that hi5 doesn't have
  23. [00:54:58] <suhail> ah, well this doesn't necessarily handle that
  24. [00:54:58] <besquared> and they use a special object for the constants
  25. [00:55:04] <besquared> yeah
  26. [00:55:10] <besquared> you stick to opensocial spec
  27. [00:55:13] <suhail> yep
  28. [00:55:20] <suhail> it's to spec for sure
  29. [00:55:40] <suhail> during the alpha days if myspace/hi5 broke something, I'd bitch at them failing to meet the spec :P
  30. [00:56:38] <suhail> besquared: the more useful thing is the friend functions
  31. [00:56:48] <suhail> some things are nicely wrapped so they are just one function call
  32. [00:56:52] <besquared> ours is very object oriented
  33. [00:56:59] <suhail> prototype?
  34. [00:56:59] <besquared> via jquery
  35. [00:56:59] <besquared> heh
  36. [00:57:12] <besquared> no prototype is too rubyish
  37. [00:57:17] <besquared> jquery is very javascriptish
  38. [00:57:28] <suhail> no dude, prototype in javascript
  39. [00:57:29] <besquared> we prefer the purist approach..:)
  40. [00:57:31] <suhail> Not the framework ;)
  41. [00:57:44] <besquared> haha oooh
  42. [00:57:47] <suhail> var foo.prototype.bar = function() { }
  43. [00:57:48] <suhail> duh
  44. [00:57:49] <suhail> haha
  45. [00:57:56] <besquared> well that's all wrapped up
  46. [00:58:01] <besquared> by jquery
  47. [00:58:16] <suhail> huh?
  48. [00:58:30] <suhail> besquared: I am not entirely convinced you understand what prototype in js is :P
  49. [00:58:40] <besquared> haha
  50. [00:59:07] <besquared> we use a combination of jquery's extend and functions defined on the "class" objects themselves
  51. [00:59:19] <suhail> in anyevent, this framework is really intended for the newbies that don't want to deal with all this insanity of building up requests.
  52. [00:59:30] <suhail> I could think of many things that could be improved
  53. [00:59:51] <suhail> e.g. building a message object with the right params to send out a notification
  54. [01:00:03] <besquared> yeah
  55. [01:00:09] <besquared> we have various methods for various kidns of messages
  56. [01:00:12] <besquared> that we build as objects
  57. [01:00:17] <suhail> word
  58. [01:00:19] <besquared> and pass into our message dispatcher method
  59. [01:00:31] <suhail> yeah--well--anyway, if you see a fit, feel free to extend or use it =)
  60. [01:00:33] <besquared> even though I hate opensocial
  61. [01:00:34] <besquared> :)
  62. [01:01:13] <suhail> It's definitely stable at the very least =)
  63. [01:01:20] <besquared> hah we also implemented a template engine
  64. [01:02:28] <besquared> but that's not strictly required
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  132. [14:12:17] <trelayne> hi all, anyone know when 0.8 will be supported on myspace?
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  148. [17:20:02] <mib_kn4rkr> anyone from google around?
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  152. [17:38:37] <brunokbcao> hi everyone... someone out there uses script.aculo.us api?
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  154. [17:49:57] <brunokbcao> i'm having problems : Draggable is not defined...
  155. [17:50:09] <brunokbcao> seems that the cache api is not getting my dragdrop.js
  156. [18:01:01] <DLaf> make sure you use bpc=1 in orkut's sandbox
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  159. [18:11:23] <brunokbcao> hum, when i use it, don't occurs erros.
  160. [18:11:25] <brunokbcao> *errors...
  161. [18:11:40] <brunokbcao> but i'd like to know if it will happen on Orkut (not Sandbox)
  162. [18:16:31] <DLaf> it's likely the sandbox behavior is the same.
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  169. [18:58:10] <brunokbcao> hm, ok, thanks
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  178. [20:04:45] <Vamsi> Hi Aakash
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  181. [20:07:55] <DLaf> anyone from google?
  182. [20:09:33] <Vamsi> they will be here soon
  183. [20:09:36] <Vamsi> please wait
  184. [20:10:40] <DLaf> thx
  185. [20:15:53] <api_dwh> i'm at google
  186. [20:15:56] <api_dwh> if you have questions
  187. [20:16:11] <api_dwh> jason is on a well deserved vacation :)
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  189. [20:18:33] <mNeo> api_dwh: Can you PM me please
  190. [20:19:34] <Vamsi> hi
  191. [20:19:39] <Vamsi> dwh
  192. [20:19:52] <Vamsi> may i know ur name ...
  193. [20:20:03] <Vamsi> calling u dwh seems pretty wierd
  194. [20:20:08] <api_dwh> dan :)
  195. [20:20:10] <mNeo> heh, I agree
  196. [20:20:15] <Vamsi> dan
  197. [20:20:20] <Vamsi> how are u ?
  198. [20:20:56] <api_dwh> i'm ok, very busy :)
  199. [20:21:01] <Vamsi> hmm ok
  200. [20:21:07] <Vamsi> let me shoot it directly ...
  201. [20:21:58] <Vamsi> we happen to submit 23 apps on june 28 ..... Jason and your team really helped me out and cleared out one app on Aug 1
  202. [20:22:23] <Vamsi> Rajinikanth ... we are building more like celebrity apps targetted at India
  203. [20:22:42] <Vamsi> every app uses the same framework expect the core celebrity changes
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  205. [20:23:11] <Vamsi> i have been waiting for the rest of the apps going live...
  206. [20:23:23] <Sambi> hi guys
  207. [20:23:44] <Sambi> is jason here???
  208. [20:24:01] <Vamsi> why is it so delayed :| .. the first app got its approval in 3 days and the other apps which i submitted along with that app are not showing any progress ...
  209. [20:24:14] <Vamsi> Dan, can u tell me anything about the progress ??
  210. [20:24:28] <api_dwh> it seems like everyone has app approval questions today
  211. [20:24:44] <Sambi> i have another issue :)
  212. [20:24:49] <api_dwh> unfortunately, as i've replied via pm to several already, i don't work on orkut app approvals
  213. [20:25:00] <api_dwh> i can forward specific comments on to the team though
  214. [20:25:06] <Vamsi> we are waiting for 0.8 so that we can ask some technical question
  215. [20:25:11] <api_dwh> but i dont have information on the status of particular apps
  216. [20:25:33] <Sambi> why apps don't work on opera web browser
  217. [20:25:39] <Sambi> sandbox works fine
  218. [20:26:17] <Sambi> i mean http://sandbox.orkut.com works fine
  219. [20:26:34] <Sambi> but apps in www.orkut.com keeps on loading
  220. [20:26:36] <api_dwh> the application works in the sandbox in opera but not in production in opera?
  221. [20:26:44] <Sambi> ya
  222. [20:26:48] <api_dwh> is this all apps?
  223. [20:27:10] <Sambi> ya
  224. [20:28:56] <Sambi> i have music mazza and photobuzz in my account both of them work when i am in sandbox but not when i am in www.orkut.com
  225. [20:31:10] <Vamsi> musicmazaa is fine
  226. [20:31:16] <Vamsi> thats actually our app
  227. [20:31:29] <Vamsi> we tested it on opera 9
  228. [20:32:07] <DLaf> Dan, looks like you have to ask someone from app approval to log in. :-) so everyone with high quality apps could get approved faster.
  229. [20:32:09] <Sambi> latest version is 9.5 and its not working
  230. [20:32:31] <Vamsi> let me check it one min
  231. [20:32:44] <Sambi> high quality apps :D ????
  232. [20:32:59] <DLaf> we see a lot of crap already approved.
  233. [20:33:11] <Vamsi> checked on 9.51
  234. [20:33:15] <Vamsi> all clean for musicmazaa
  235. [20:34:35] <Vamsi> oops
  236. [20:35:07] <Sambi> in the last 6 attempts it loaded fine once
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  238. [20:37:21] <Vamsi> dan can u check with app approval team plz...
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  240. [20:42:37] <Sambi> dan, do you confirm this http://groups.google.com/group/opensocial-orkut/browse_frm/thread/656b86ccb7930a17
  241. [20:43:03] <Sambi> that we can't access viewer's PROFILE_URL until user has installed app
  242. [20:43:12] <Vamsi> yup
  243. [20:43:19] <Vamsi> u get an error if u try to
  244. [20:43:42] <api_dwh> vamsi: what do you want me to check with the approvals team?
  245. [20:43:52] <Sambi> so, is this how you are catching users without app??
  246. [20:44:26] <Vamsi> dwh cani have ur email ?
  247. [20:44:52] <Sambi> i know 0.8 is going to have Viewer.HAS_APP
  248. [20:45:28] <api_dwh> you can email api.dwh@google.com
  249. [20:45:32] <api_dwh> thats my public address
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  251. [20:45:44] <api_dwh> be warned that i dont check it unless i know something is coming :)
  252. [20:47:18] <Vamsi> mailed u
  253. [20:47:31] <Vamsi> something came hehe :)
  254. [20:48:13] <api_dwh> i got it. i'll make sure the approvals team follows up
  255. [20:48:32] <Vamsi> u got the attatchment too right ?
  256. [20:48:43] <api_dwh> eys
  257. [20:48:45] <api_dwh> yes*
  258. [20:49:12] <Sambi> Vamsi, do owners have ability to delete comments??
  259. [20:49:35] <Vamsi> delete comments of ?
  260. [20:49:59] <Sambi> of app in application info page
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  262. [20:51:17] <Vamsi> it depends on how u plan your application
  263. [20:51:36] <Vamsi> u can always check if the viewer is owner and assign action to the owner
  264. [20:52:43] <Sambi> i am talking abt comments on this page http://www.orkut.com/AppInfo.aspx?appId=959924068502
  265. [20:56:19] <Vamsi> i dont this if we can do it ... no we cant delete comments even if u had submitted the app
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  269. [21:10:12] <Vamsi> dan ... i think everyone is looking for jason here
  270. [21:10:17] <Vamsi> no one asking anything here
  271. [21:10:22] <Vamsi> when would be come back
  272. [21:11:21] <Sambi> may be we need to have irc hours of app approving team
  273. [21:11:28] <Sambi> :)
  274. [21:11:39] <Vamsi> hehe
  275. [21:11:50] <api_dwh> he'll be back next week
  276. [21:11:53] <Vamsi> not for me ... u have forwarded na ...
  277. [21:12:41] <Vamsi> Sambi btb whats ur app ?
  278. [21:12:50] <Sambi> dan, wat do you think is a major change in 0.8?
  279. [21:13:01] <Vamsi> REST
  280. [21:13:13] <api_dwh> yeah, REST is the big one
  281. [21:13:31] <api_dwh> there's better authentication support as well
  282. [21:13:34] <Sambi> http://sandbox.orkut.com/Application.aspx?uid=17158969329579561372&appId=535756404836
  283. [21:14:14] <api_dwh> and there are small tweaks that should make development easier
  284. [21:14:15] <Vamsi> i hope if there is cheat sheet for migration it would make the upgrade easy for existing apps too
  285. [21:14:33] <api_dwh> we'll be working on updating all of our documentation to 0.8 very soon
  286. [21:14:45] <api_dwh> most things will continue to work just fine
  287. [21:15:02] <Sambi> and have an article with appengine will make my life easier :)
  288. [21:15:14] <api_dwh> :)
  289. [21:15:18] <Vamsi> dan
  290. [21:15:26] <api_dwh> yes?
  291. [21:15:32] <Vamsi> i notices a bug with images
  292. [21:15:32] <Sambi> that gifts app really helped thanks
  293. [21:15:41] <api_dwh> thanks, i wrote the tutorial :)
  294. [21:15:51] <Vamsi> if the height of the images are not defined we get a scrollbar
  295. [21:16:07] <Vamsi> this is for dynamic data
  296. [21:16:12] <Vamsi> dynamic images
  297. [21:16:25] <api_dwh> are you requesting a cached image URL and adding it to the page?
  298. [21:16:35] <Vamsi> sort of
  299. [21:16:40] <Vamsi> wait will give u an example
  300. [21:16:53] <Sambi> you wrote that then i have some questions to you
  301. [21:17:22] <Vamsi> http://sandbox.orkut.com/Application.aspx?uid=12264247026633193368&appId=939170687980
  302. [21:17:29] <Vamsi> dan : plz check that app
  303. [21:18:03] <Vamsi> disable images and notice
  304. [21:18:33] <Vamsi> if the images for the full articles are taller than the content u see a double scroll bar
  305. [21:19:30] <api_dwh> what browser are you using?
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  307. [21:19:37] <Vamsi> firefox
  308. [21:19:39] <api_dwh> and do you have a particular page where this occurs?
  309. [21:19:52] <Vamsi> http://sandbox.orkut.com/Application.aspx?uid=12264247026633193368&appId=939170687980
  310. [21:19:57] <Vamsi> u can see that on the very first page
  311. [21:20:00] <api_dwh> i see
  312. [21:20:04] <api_dwh> i tested it first in safari
  313. [21:20:18] <api_dwh> are you calling adjustHeight after the page loads?
  314. [21:20:37] <Vamsi> yup
  315. [21:20:53] <api_dwh> it looks like it's not always triggering in the proper order
  316. [21:20:57] <Vamsi> callign adjust height after innerHTML
  317. [21:21:02] <Vamsi> its not the proper order
  318. [21:21:08] <Vamsi> i have double chekd
  319. [21:21:13] <Vamsi> its because of the images
  320. [21:21:29] <Vamsi> disable the images and im not getting the scroll bar no matter how long the text goes on
  321. [21:22:06] <Sambi> is it working fine few times???
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  323. [21:22:25] <api_dwh> it works most of the time for me
  324. [21:22:37] <Vamsi> more insight ok
  325. [21:22:42] <api_dwh> but occasionally it loads the images and doesn't adjust the height
  326. [21:22:43] <Vamsi> in the app click movies in the menu
  327. [21:22:49] <Vamsi> then .. click kuselan movie review
  328. [21:23:00] <Vamsi> i have measured the total height of the images
  329. [21:23:09] <Vamsi> and the scroll bar length matches
  330. [21:23:16] <Vamsi> it adjusts the height
  331. [21:23:24] <Vamsi> but its not taking the height of the images
  332. [21:23:44] <Vamsi> since the height of the images are not defined in the markup
  333. [21:23:53] <api_dwh> the first time it loaded i got double scrolling
  334. [21:23:57] <api_dwh> the second time, i didnt
  335. [21:24:33] <api_dwh> my guess is that because you're adjusting the height immediately after adding the images, the browser doesn't have time to download the image and render it before adjusting the height
  336. [21:24:38] <Sambi> what i think is adjustheight is called before images loading few times but after loading some times
  337. [21:24:45] <api_dwh> then the images load into the incorrectly sized frame
  338. [21:24:48] <api_dwh> and it scrolls
  339. [21:24:53] <Sambi> are both in different functions?
  340. [21:25:13] <api_dwh> when i revisit the page the image is in my cache so i dont have a problem
  341. [21:25:30] <Vamsi> adjustheight is called immediatly after the dom model is inserted
  342. [21:25:56] <Vamsi> but since the images are not loaded and there is no definet height value assigned the height of the images are ignored when adjust height is called
  343. [21:26:03] <api_dwh> right
  344. [21:26:12] <Vamsi> only work around i see is to hard code the image height in <img >
  345. [21:26:35] <api_dwh> or you can call adjustheight again after a sufficient period of time has passed to load the images
  346. [21:27:18] <Vamsi> setTimeout eats ups some memory :(
  347. [21:28:38] <api_dwh> does setting an image onLoad call work?
  348. [21:28:54] <api_dwh> im not sure if thats triggered before of after the image finishes downloading
  349. [21:29:14] <Vamsi> the number of images on the data request is not common
  350. [21:29:39] <api_dwh> im not sure what you mean
  351. [21:29:56] <api_dwh> im suggesting that you construct your image HTML so that it's like the following:
  352. [21:30:15] <api_dwh> <img onload="gadgets.window.adjustHeight();" src="x" />
  353. [21:30:43] <Vamsi> if there are more images then that would be an issue
  354. [21:30:53] <Vamsi> calling a javascript function too many functions
  355. [21:31:40] <api_dwh> assuming you know how many images are on the page you can call a function that decrements a counter
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  357. [21:31:52] <api_dwh> the counter starts out equal to the number of images
  358. [21:32:00] <api_dwh> each image calls the function onload
  359. [21:32:13] <api_dwh> and the function subtracts one from the counter
  360. [21:32:20] <api_dwh> when counter == 0 it calls adjustheight
  361. [21:32:27] <api_dwh> then it only adjusts once
  362. [21:34:16] <Vamsi> will try that
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  364. [21:36:35] <Sambi> dan, authentication you gave in the article will that completely change when you release 0.8?
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  366. [21:39:11] <Vamsi> k i will make the changes and submit the app on thursday ;) ..
  367. [21:39:39] <api_dwh> i dont think the opensocial tutorial has authentication in it
  368. [21:39:46] <api_dwh> are you thinking of a different article?
  369. [21:40:18] <Sambi> http://code.google.com/apis/opensocial/articles/appengine.html in this article do i need to change authentication in my appengine code
  370. [21:41:09] <api_dwh> oh, no, i dont think so
  371. [21:41:17] <api_dwh> you can see the list of 0.8 changes here: http://code.google.com/apis/opensocial/docs/releasenotes.html#0.8
  372. [21:41:25] <api_dwh> and at the top are the "incompatible changes"
  373. [21:41:28] <api_dwh> that isn't one
  374. [21:43:47] <Vamsi> Dan kindly ask the approval team to get back on the 23 apps .. im not understanding why this is taking so long when an exact similar app got approved ... thank a lot Dan .. all the best Sambi
  375. [21:46:44] <api_dwh> sure, i will
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  378. [21:55:26] <Sambi> when is orkut going to have 15*15 icon of application
  379. [21:58:05] <api_dwh> not sure
  380. [21:58:29] <api_dwh> again, my knowledge of orkut is mostly limited to api implementation :)
  381. [22:00:31] <Sambi> i know webon is using 0.8 do they their own documentation??
  382. [22:01:36] <api_dwh> the getting started guide on code.google.com lists the team blog as the resource
  383. [22:01:37] <api_dwh> http://team.webonsites.com/index/87921/entry/6474/user-created-add-ons.html
  384. [22:01:55] <api_dwh> that page says they are working on developer docs
  385. [22:05:15] <DLaf> Dan, igoogle support opensocial apps?
  386. [22:05:24] <mNeo> in sandbox
  387. [22:05:27] <api_dwh> the igoogle developer sandbox supports opensocial
  388. [22:05:31] <api_dwh> 0.8 actually
  389. [22:05:37] <api_dwh> im working on a blog post on what parts
  390. [22:05:52] <mNeo> Dan, any update on when it will be live on igoogle?
  391. [22:05:53] <DLaf> how does the user relationship (friends) work under igoogle?
  392. [22:05:57] <api_dwh> in production it wont be supported until after the canvas view launch
  393. [22:06:44] <api_dwh> in the sandbox friends are added manually by entering the email address
  394. [22:06:58] <api_dwh> the other person then needs to confirm that you're friends
  395. [22:07:26] <DLaf> hmm.. cool.. how do we sign up for igoogle sandbox?
  396. [22:07:44] <api_dwh> just got to google.com/ig/sandbox
  397. [22:07:55] <api_dwh> there's a little form to fill out
  398. [22:08:00] <api_dwh> then just click the button
  399. [22:08:07] <api_dwh> it's automatic
  400. [22:08:59] <DLaf> cool.. will do it..
  401. [22:09:20] <api_dwh> excellent
  402. [22:09:29] <api_dwh> let me know if you have any questions
  403. [22:10:29] <DLaf> igoogle gadgets also work under google desktop?
  404. [22:11:17] <api_dwh> yes
  405. [22:11:30] <api_dwh> im not sure about the plans to support opensocial on desktop though
  406. [22:12:18] <DLaf> great
  407. [22:12:48] <DLaf> when I go to google.com/ig/sandbox it redirects me to google.com/ig, is that right?
  408. [22:14:08] <api_dwh> did it request that you fill out the form?
  409. [22:14:13] <api_dwh> what does the UI look like?
  410. [22:14:19] <api_dwh> if it has the left navigation bar
  411. [22:14:30] <api_dwh> or the welcome to the developer sandbox message then it's fine
  412. [22:14:51] <api_dwh> basically you're toggling your account to use the sandbox instead of production
  413. [22:15:06] <api_dwh> so if you go back to google.com/ig after entering the sandbox you're still in the sandbox
  414. [22:16:47] <DLaf> It did request that I fill out the form. which I did. Then it redirects me to google.com/ig. It doesn't have a left nav bar, looks like regular igoogle. let me clear the cache..
  415. [22:19:03] <DLaf> weird..
  416. [22:19:37] <DLaf> If I tried with another browser and it's showing the request form again.
  417. [22:19:56] <DLaf> when I fill it out there's nothing in the interface saying that I'm in the sandbox
  418. [22:20:25] <brunokbcao> Hi people... Could anyone visit http://sandbox.orkut.com/Application.aspx?uid=11914663719726161398&appId=105683538854&bpc=1
  419. [22:20:50] <brunokbcao> Here in getting a error (Draggable is not defined) when I don't use the bpc=1 paramater
  420. [22:20:53] <brunokbcao> *parameter
  421. [22:21:29] <api_dwh> hmmm
  422. [22:21:41] <api_dwh> are you visiting google.com
  423. [22:21:41] <brunokbcao> I'm using Scriptaculous
  424. [22:21:58] <api_dwh> it doesnt work in other locales
  425. [22:22:12] <api_dwh> actually, i see that you said google.com
  426. [22:22:31] <api_dwh> after it redirects you, see what happens when you visit google.com/ig/sandbox again
  427. [22:23:56] <DLaf> hmm... should be the locale thing
  428. [22:24:05] <DLaf> now I see the tool bar ;)
  429. [22:24:10] <api_dwh> ok, great
  430. [22:24:20] <api_dwh> you'll want to get a copy of the developer tools, too
  431. [22:24:36] <brunokbcao> dan, dlaf. do you know about my issue?
  432. [22:24:41] <api_dwh> this page has some more getting started details: http://code.google.com/apis/igoogle/
  433. [22:25:03] <api_dwh> bruno, if you dont see the error when you have &bpc=1 turned on then its because the cached version has an error
  434. [22:25:09] <api_dwh> and you've since fixed it
  435. [22:25:24] <brunokbcao> hmm, i hope so.
  436. [22:25:38] <brunokbcao> because i was thinking it was because Scriptaculous way to include libraries
  437. [22:26:01] <brunokbcao> something like -> document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'+libraryName+'"><\/script>');
  438. [22:26:39] <brunokbcao> so, when the script in on a cached server, it could not load the library required
  439. [22:26:48] <brunokbcao> well, hope there's no error. thanks :)
  440. [22:26:52] <api_dwh> sure
  441. [22:26:59] <api_dwh> ok, i have to go now
  442. [22:27:03] <brunokbcao> are you getting a error when you access?
  443. [22:27:05] <api_dwh> cya all on thursday
  444. [22:27:10] <brunokbcao> cya!
  445. [22:27:22] <brunokbcao> and very thanks
  446. [22:27:45] <brunokbcao> Vamsi, I see you everyday here. Still developing an app?
  447. [22:27:56] <brunokbcao> ah, ok, Vamsi is not here :(
  448. [22:28:01] <api_dwh> and i just loaded the page without an error
  449. [22:28:05] <DLaf> I tried to load our opensocial app.. looks like you don't have canvas and profile views ;-) I have to take a look at the documentation.
  450. [22:28:15] <DLaf> Thanks Dan
  451. [22:28:20] <api_dwh> sure
  452. [22:28:31] <api_dwh> igoogle supports canvas and home views
  453. [22:28:32] <DLaf> Thanks for forwarding my app request too
  454. [22:28:38] <api_dwh> yep, no problem
  455. [22:28:41] <api_dwh> ok, bye everyone
  456. [22:28:46] <DLaf> bye
  457. [22:28:47] <brunokbcao> dlaf, whats your app?
  458. [22:28:49] <brunokbcao> bye
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  460. [22:29:00] <brunokbcao> is it for orkut?
  461. [22:29:04] <brunokbcao> or just for igoogle?
  462. [22:29:27] <DLaf> Can't tell you right now.. still waiting for google's approval, can't release it to the public yet :-(
  463. [22:29:36] <brunokbcao> hahaha, ok, np.
  464. [22:29:48] <Sambi> working for google?
  465. [22:29:50] <brunokbcao> kinda a 'top secret'
  466. [22:29:51] <brunokbcao> :P
  467. [22:30:12] <brunokbcao> Hey Sambi, you are every day here too :)
  468. [22:30:24] <brunokbcao> Are you the guy from "Tollywood database movie"?
  469. [22:30:36] <Sambi> ya thats me
  470. [22:30:45] <brunokbcao> good. pretty app :)
  471. [22:31:16] <Sambi> orkut doesn't think so :( still waiting for approval
  472. [22:31:27] <DLaf> approval process really sucks..
  473. [22:31:48] <DLaf> they should allow people to add apps via URL
  474. [22:32:12] <Sambi> i think they are doing it parttime 4 hrs a week just like irc hours :)
  475. [22:32:15] <brunokbcao> I agree with some points. They have to approval before releasing...
  476. [22:32:32] <brunokbcao> Because you could be doing some nasty things... Just getting user data, and so...
  477. [22:32:45] <brunokbcao> But I believe this process is kinda slow, dont you think?
  478. [22:34:35] <Sambi> ya approval should be there and they are looking into each and everything thats good and fine
  479. [22:35:15] <Sambi> but by the time i submit for approval and they replying I am actually thinking of whole new idea :) of changes
  480. [22:36:04] <brunokbcao> hehe great. Are you from india, right?
  481. [22:36:17] <Sambi> but i can't risk doing it which might screw my submitted application (I run a website on same application)
  482. [22:36:19] <brunokbcao> I met a great guy from there, Akash. :)
  483. [22:37:13] <Sambi> ya, good but watch out there are some bad guys too :D
  484. [22:38:06] <Sambi> do you guys know how facebook approve applications??
  485. [22:38:31] <DLaf> I'm still trying to make my opensocial app work on myspace :-\
  486. [22:39:31] <Sambi> only thing I noticed is we can't use Navigation URL generated in orkut to work in myspace
  487. [22:39:37] <Sambi> or hi5
  488. [22:39:53] <brunokbcao> I don't knot about other containers. I'm doing my app just for Orkut right now
  489. [22:39:54] <Sambi> did u find anything more?
  490. [22:40:34] <Sambi> i know bruno orkut is really big there right. you will be fine
  491. [22:41:04] <DLaf> orkut is 90% of brazilian social ;-) but facebook and myspace is growning
  492. [22:41:15] <DLaf> sambi.. isn't orkut very popular in india too?
  493. [22:42:13] <Sambi> ya but my audience is specific state AP in India (So, trying to reach them)
  494. [22:42:16] <brunokbcao> well... it's because a challenge haha
  495. [22:42:20] <brunokbcao> do you know? www.mentez.com
  496. [22:42:43] <brunokbcao> I think it will be on India again
  497. [22:43:56] <Sambi> not many succeded after orkut has landed
  498. [22:44:10] <Sambi> infact none
  499. [22:44:36] <Sambi> are you guys having your own servers??
  500. [22:44:38] <DLaf> sambi.. do you know someone who could translate my english xml file to your language?
  501. [22:45:11] <DLaf> if you don't have your infrastructure you should look into google app engine
  502. [22:45:29] <Sambi> i am using appengine myself
  503. [22:45:31] <brunokbcao> I have my own server
  504. [22:45:42] <brunokbcao> But I can use the server provided by the Mentez
  505. [22:45:49] <brunokbcao> (They are hosting the challenge)
  506. [22:46:05] <brunokbcao> Dlaf, if you have a 'small' xml, I can translate it to portuguese
  507. [22:46:25] <brunokbcao> Of course, if you aren't at the same challenge as me hahaha
  508. [22:46:38] <Sambi> Dlaf you can use the same application for indian users too
  509. [22:46:57] <Sambi> every indian using a computer in India can understand english
  510. [22:47:31] <brunokbcao> Is it true, Sambi?
  511. [22:47:36] <mNeo> DLaf Google App Engine can't take traffic from any reasonably successful app
  512. [22:47:49] <DLaf> bruno.. I'm brazilian :-D
  513. [22:48:05] <brunokbcao> oops.. then.. FORGET :P
  514. [22:48:08] <brunokbcao> hehehe
  515. [22:48:45] <DLaf> mNeo.. are you sure? they advertise just the opposite thing
  516. [22:48:45] <Sambi> mNeo they say it can take 5M pageviews a month
  517. [22:49:05] <DLaf> my site gets 400M pageviews a month :-)
  518. [22:49:08] <mNeo> The tricky part is CPU usage
  519. [22:49:25] <brunokbcao> pageview is not a good measure, i believe
  520. [22:49:30] <mNeo> They are currently is beta. I am sure they'll be able to serve a lot more if you start paying
  521. [22:49:47] <DLaf> I believe if I paid for the cpu usage, they would host it.. the bad thing is they don't support php
  522. [22:50:01] <brunokbcao> Dlaf: making part at the Mentez contest?
  523. [22:50:12] <brunokbcao> or just a developer?
  524. [22:50:20] <brunokbcao> I'm curious right now
  525. [22:50:21] <brunokbcao> :P
  526. [22:50:33] <DLaf> nope.. I just want to see my app approved from google to start advertising to our users.
  527. [22:50:33] <mNeo> My experience is that GAE is not ready for social apps if you intend to make money from the app. Wait till they have a pay version
  528. [22:50:43] <mNeo> Use Amazon or other cloud services till then
  529. [22:50:48] <brunokbcao> hmm, GRA�AS A DEUS! hehehe
  530. [22:51:01] <DLaf> :-D
  531. [22:51:07] <DLaf> are you in the music related business?
  532. [22:51:29] <brunokbcao> yes, my app is about it
  533. [22:51:32] <Sambi> I guess appengine is alot cheaper than amazon for their pricing structure
  534. [22:51:58] <Sambi> ofcourse once they go live
  535. [22:51:59] <brunokbcao> but, im not a musician. just a undergraduate student
  536. [22:52:00] <DLaf> you just have the app or you run a music website too?
  537. [22:52:25] <mNeo> Yeah .. it's a lot cheaper.
  538. [22:52:40] <brunokbcao> just have the app. I'm using YouTube data, and making advanced features on top of it...
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  540. [22:53:08] <brunokbcao> If I could tell my app as a sum, I should say : YouTube + Last.fm = Together
  541. [22:53:10] <brunokbcao> :P
  542. [22:53:23] <brunokbcao> By the way, it yes the reason I have chosen this name :P
  543. [22:53:30] <brunokbcao> *it is...
  544. [22:53:37] <Sambi> nice thing abt appengine its free for small sites. you don't have to start paying from the scratch
  545. [22:54:13] <DLaf> you should add lyrics to your site ;-)
  546. [22:54:18] <DLaf> I mean.. your app
  547. [22:54:38] <Sambi> you're never sure what users like ;)
  548. [22:55:50] <Sambi> for me orkut app is do or die
  549. [22:56:09] <DLaf> last.fm has a developer api too, right?
  550. [22:56:35] <brunokbcao> humm, i think so...
  551. [22:56:38] <brunokbcao> but i dont use last.fm
  552. [22:56:46] <brunokbcao> i'm talking about "video scrobbling"
  553. [22:56:51] <brunokbcao> or something like this...
  554. [22:57:12] <brunokbcao> do you have access to orkut sandbox?
  555. [22:57:17] <brunokbcao> http://sandbox.orkut.com/Profile.aspx?uid=11914663719726161398&bpc=1
  556. [22:57:27] <brunokbcao> that thing: "last watched videos"
  557. [22:58:44] <DLaf> are you using an iframe based app or are you building divs on top of the XML?
  558. [22:59:11] <brunokbcao> second option
  559. [22:59:25] <brunokbcao> if i use the first, I lose all opensocial interaction
  560. [23:00:09] <DLaf> exactly.. A lot of people are using iframe I think.
  561. [23:00:47] <Sambi> ok guys time to leave hopefully by next time my app gets approved.
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  563. [23:02:01] <brunokbcao> good luck sambi
  564. [23:02:03] <brunokbcao> bye
  565. [23:03:01] <DLaf> gotta go to.. good luck bruno
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  567. [23:07:22] <brunokbcao> thanks
  568. [23:07:23] <brunokbcao> :)
  569. [23:07:26] <brunokbcao> see ya
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  573. [23:20:08] <gregtidwell> anyone around?
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  575. [23:22:34] <brunokbcao> hi
  576. [23:22:39] <brunokbcao> whats up
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