IRC Log for #OpenSocial on 2008-07-29
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- [05:47:29] <brunokbcao>
hi ppl
- [05:47:46] <brunokbcao>
I'm having auth issues
- [05:48:04] <brunokbcao>
Where can I get Orkut's public certificate?
- [05:50:03] <brunokbcao>
FOUND! great...
- [05:50:28] <brunokbcao>
If anyone has the same problem > http://sandbox.orkut.com/46/o/pub.1199819524.-1556113204990931254.cer
- [05:50:30] <brunokbcao>
:)
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- [18:57:38] <manvesh>
can anyone point out the differences between rpc.js and any other cross-frame cross-domain javascript interaction libraries?
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- [20:15:32] <Vamsi>
Hello everyone
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- [20:18:53] <Vamsi>
hi jason
- [20:18:57] <Vamsi>
how are u ?
- [20:19:10] <jasonacooper>
Greetings Vamsi! I'm great. How are you?
- [20:19:26] <Vamsi>
im fine .. thank you
- [20:19:45] <Vamsi>
Do you remember me ?
- [20:20:15] <jasonacooper>
Yes.
- [20:20:37] <Vamsi>
We have just finished developing 23 apps
- [20:21:23] <Vamsi>
all the app are pretty much similar in design and functionality expect that the core theme is changing
- [20:21:55] <jasonacooper>
Wow, you've been pretty busy. :)
- [20:22:33] <Vamsi>
opensocial is kinda easy .... 0.7 .. waiting for 0.8 to go live ...
- [20:22:51] <Vamsi>
i just wanted to know how long wud it take to get all of them approved ?
- [20:23:33] <Vamsi>
also im not able to ass more than 25 apps in sandbox
- [20:23:57] <Vamsi>
our total app target is more than 40 :(
- [20:24:08] <Vamsi>
ass 8 add
- [20:24:13] <Vamsi>
ass* add
- [20:24:33] <jasonacooper>
I'm not sure about the approval time. We're trying to clear out the queue and get response time as low as possible, so hopefully not too long.
- [20:25:09] <jasonacooper>
orkut limits you to 25 apps at any one time. You can file a new issue in the tracker if you would like this count increased.
- [20:25:19] <Vamsi>
23 apps * 2 days wud that be 46 days :(
- [20:25:31] <Vamsi>
tracker u mean in the group
- [20:25:54] <Vamsi>
but all the apps work under the same architecture and same js files
- [20:26:26] <jasonacooper>
No, all apps would be reviewed within the same span of time. Since they're all similar, this will probably help.
- [20:26:27] <Vamsi>
besides is there a easy way to submit the apps in a bulk way
- [20:26:59] <jasonacooper>
No, we have an issue tracker for tracking bugs and feature requests. See here: http://code.google.com/p/opensocial-resources/issues/list
- [20:27:08] <jasonacooper>
Apps have to be submitted individually.
- [20:27:38] <Vamsi>
cool and there is no limit for submissions right
- [20:28:31] <jasonacooper>
No.
- [20:28:35] <Vamsi>
great
- [20:29:42] <Vamsi>
any eta on the availability of 0.8
- [20:31:56] <jasonacooper>
No ETA just yet, I'm afraid. We're getting closer, though. I've been seeing a lot of Shindig activity lately.
- [20:34:07] <Vamsi>
i have a small feature request
- [20:34:18] <Vamsi>
its regarding adsense
- [20:34:50] <Vamsi>
as far as i know we can use adsense on the app xml .. but it wud be great if the open social api integrated itself with adsense
- [20:35:16] <jasonacooper>
How so?
- [20:35:18] <Vamsi>
because most of the time the the ads on the adsense remain the same even after the content changes
- [20:36:07] <Vamsi>
if we are using data requests, there should be a feature which wud let the api refresh the ads according to the keywords from the data requests
- [20:36:25] <Vamsi>
in Music Mazaa app we are using iframe and refreshing on every data request
- [20:36:36] <Vamsi>
and adsense wont allow us to use iframes :(
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- [20:37:51] <Vamsi>
so if we can refresh the adsense based on dom id's linked with the data requests it would be great
- [20:38:16] <jasonacooper>
I see what you're saying now. This doesn't have to do with OpenSocial per se, but AdSense itself. I think they are well aware of the problem. We've seen this request a lot.
- [20:38:56] <Vamsi>
i even got in touch with adsense optimization team in India
- [20:39:40] <Vamsi>
but they were referring it to thier US team .. and if a request is raised on orkut's / opensocial's behalf may be they would consider
- [20:40:10] <manvesh>
Hello all!
- [20:40:39] <api_dwh>
vamsi, i can't speak too much to the orkut side of things, but the igoogle team has raised the issue of having a better adsense for gadgets
- [20:41:13] <jasonacooper>
manvesh: Hi!
- [20:41:46] <api_dwh>
the adsense team is very aware of the issue, but i'm not aware of any progress that can be shared publicly
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- [20:43:46] <manvesh>
Can anyone point out any if there are any sites that support os 0.8 containers. Also, why has there been so much delay in incorporating 0.8?
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- [20:46:52] <manvesh>
also, personally, I needed some assistance in interacting an iframed application, back to the container. I understand that rpc.js can help me with cross-domain interaction between iframes. But can anyone point me to an informed example. I'm totally new to the OS APIs.
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- [20:47:49] <jasonacooper>
The 0.8 spec has been approved, but implementation has been a bit slow. Some containers may add it faster than others though.
- [20:48:09] <Aakash>
Hi
- [20:48:15] <jasonacooper>
Hi Aakash.
- [20:48:25] <manvesh>
Hello Aakash
- [20:48:26] <api_dwh>
manvesh, what are you trying to use rpc for? we don't really advocate its use within gadgets and there isn't much documentation
- [20:48:36] <ajaksu>
hey, does anyone know if getting "bad server no donut" messages in orkut's sandbox can mean a problem with my application or only server load issues?
- [20:49:30] <jasonacooper>
ajaksu: It's usually an orkut issue, but I believe it can be app related in rare circumstances.
- [20:49:32] <api_dwh>
i should add that when i say "use within gadgets" that im referring to calling the API directly and not using gadgets.* and opensocial.*
- [20:50:12] <ajaksu>
jasonacooper: great to know, thanks, I've pretty much scaled the app back to Hello World :)
- [20:50:29] <api_dwh>
i suppose it's technically gadgets.rpc... anyway, i might be able to help you if you provide specifics
- [20:50:33] <jasonacooper>
ajaksu: In that case, it's probably orkut. :)
- [20:50:56] <ajaksu>
I'm was also getting 'File save unsuccessful' in GGE, so it might be a problem with my timezone being in the rush hour :)
- [20:51:16] <manvesh>
I wanted to pass back certain data from an iframe to the container, in the container, i wish to use setPrefs to set a parameter.
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- [20:52:57] <manvesh>
what would you suggest for me to use?
- [20:53:24] <api_dwh>
well, i have to admit that my rpc experience is limited
- [20:53:29] <api_dwh>
but here's my suggestion
- [20:53:31] <Aakash>
whats the status of application approval requests on Orkut, it still takes a week to be in directory?
- [20:54:00] <mkovacs>
this might sound ridiculous but does anyone know how you unsubscribe from the shindig mailing lists? I can't get any email commands to work and I'm not well versed in how to get the apache automated mailing list software do the right thing
- [20:54:13] <api_dwh>
is your iframe the gadget itself, or is it a child iframe you've opened inside your gadget?
- [20:54:25] <manvesh>
child iframe within the container
- [20:54:36] <manvesh>
inside the gadget, i mean..
- [20:54:45] <manvesh>
its an iframe to our site.
- [20:55:04] <api_dwh>
ok, then in the gadget, i think you'd want to register a service with gadgets.rpc.register
- [20:55:13] <api_dwh>
perhaps call it "savepref" or something
- [20:55:20] <manvesh>
sure,
- [20:55:25] <jasonacooper>
Aakash: Yes, about a week, maybe a bit longer. We're driving this steadily downwards though.
- [20:55:36] <api_dwh>
the service handler would be a function that calls setpref, accepting the arguments from the service call
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- [20:55:51] <ajaksu>
mkovacs: shindig-dev-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org ?
- [20:56:04] <mkovacs>
yeah I gave that a shot but with an extra command
- [20:56:07] <mkovacs>
I'll try just that
- [20:56:08] <api_dwh>
in the child iframe, you'll need to load in the code initializing gadgets.rpc
- [20:56:23] <Vamsi>
hi aakash sup dude
- [20:56:37] <Aakash>
hi
- [20:57:12] <manvesh>
okay, when i initialize gadgets.rpc, do i need to refer it from my implementation of local shindig, or it can be any publicly available gadgets.rpc.js ?
- [20:57:17] <api_dwh>
i dont think the path to that code is included unless your gadget view is type="url" so you'll need to grab the code manually
- [20:58:01] <api_dwh>
the local environment and the server probably have similar code, but to be safest, you'll want to refer to the server's js
- [20:58:59] <api_dwh>
once you've loaded the JS, in your iframe you'd call gadgets.rpc.call('', "savepref", some_callback_function, your_arguments)
- [21:00:04] <api_dwh>
the trickiest part of this is finding the rpc.js code to include in your iframe
- [21:00:05] <manvesh>
i was wondering if rpc.js uses certain tokens that are in the url params, because I tried what you have mentioned earlier, but the parameters were not being passed.
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- [21:01:11] <api_dwh>
what url were you using to include the rpc JS code?
- [21:01:28] <manvesh>
hold on.
- [21:01:57] <manvesh>
http://sandbox.orkut.gmodules.com/gadgets/js/rpc.js
- [21:02:07] <manvesh>
i also tried, http://sandbox.orkut.gmodules.com/gadgets/js/rpc.js?c=1
- [21:02:51] <manvesh>
also, what do c=1 and v=1 signify?
- [21:03:19] <api_dwh>
im not sure, jason, do you know?
- [21:04:55] <jasonacooper>
I'm not positive either, but I can check.
- [21:06:00] <api_dwh>
im going to see if i can get some quick sample code working
- [21:06:02] <manvesh>
i read it somewhere that c=1 gets you a JS file with all the necessary dependencies, is that true?
- [21:06:14] <manvesh>
me too
- [21:08:35] <manvesh>
also, the use of RPC.js totally negates the point of security by avoiding cross-domain iframes.
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- [21:22:39] <manvesh>
well.. I tried the code you mentioned, with rps.js?c=1, and it gives me this JS exception -
- [21:22:41] <manvesh>
[Exception... "'Error: Unknown RPC service: set_pref' when calling method: [nsIDOMEventListener::handleEvent]" nsresult: "0x8057001c (NS_ERROR_XPC_JS_THREW_JS_OBJECT)" location: "<unknown>" data: no]
- [21:22:59] <api_dwh>
yeah, im getting an exception too
- [21:23:03] <api_dwh>
but a different one :)
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- [21:24:02] <api_dwh>
that looks to me like you haven't registered the service properly in the container
- [21:24:53] <manvesh>
does it internally pass the parameters as JSON objects?
- [21:25:36] <api_dwh>
im not sure
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- [21:32:04] <manvesh>
can you tell me if the script I'm accessing with parameter c=1, correct?
- [21:33:46] <api_dwh>
i believe thats correct
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- [21:37:29] <Vamsi>
finished submitting 23 apps .. man there should be a way to submit bulk apps at one go
- [21:41:33] <api_dwh>
manvesh, i've gotten some sample code to work
- [21:41:37] <api_dwh>
but in igoogle
- [21:41:44] <api_dwh>
im having an issue with the orkut sandbox at the moment
- [21:42:27] <manvesh>
okay, can you point it out to me?
- [21:42:31] <api_dwh>
sure
- [21:42:43] <api_dwh>
the gadget is at http://gadgets.exitthree.com/test/rpc.xml
- [21:43:02] <api_dwh>
and the iframe html is in the same directory http://gadgets.exitthree.com/test/rpc_ig.html
- [21:43:38] <api_dwh>
basically what the sample does is register a rpc call 'remote_alert' in the container page
- [21:43:58] <api_dwh>
in the child, clicking the button calls alert locally, and then passes a string to be called within the container's alert
- [21:44:13] <manvesh>
:) this looks identical to my code!
- [21:44:44] <api_dwh>
i was unable to use <Require feature="rpc" />
- [21:44:51] <api_dwh>
which i thought was the appropriate way to include
- [21:45:07] <api_dwh>
so i just embded the script for the feature in my gadget
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- [21:45:46] <manvesh>
so, you have rpc.js included in the gadget too?
- [21:45:50] <api_dwh>
yes
- [21:46:01] <api_dwh>
in place of <Require feature="rpc" />
- [21:46:04] <Vamsi>
jason this one is for u
- [21:46:28] <Vamsi>
is it allowed to show other open social container data in orkut ?
- [21:46:55] <Vamsi>
interaction between two open social containers - hi5 and orkut is it allowed
- [21:47:06] <jasonacooper>
Vamsi: Yes, it should be.
- [21:47:11] <Vamsi>
for example : a game between a hi5 and otkut user
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- [21:47:54] <jasonacooper>
Vamsi: Yes, that's fine.
- [21:51:13] <manvesh>
btw, are there plans of discontinuing rpc.js in 0.9 or later? once there are REST interfaces available for data interaction between (oauth) consumer and service providers
- [21:51:41] <api_dwh>
im not aware of any such plans, rpc is important for many of the built in JS features
- [21:51:49] <api_dwh>
such as resizing and preferences
- [21:52:13] <api_dwh>
REST will just offer an easier alternative :)
- [21:52:18] <api_dwh>
...hopefully...
- [21:52:18] <manvesh>
so, is it possible to have it securely tokenized as well?
- [21:52:45] <api_dwh>
so that an rpc doesn't come from an untrusted page?
- [21:52:56] <manvesh>
yes..
- [21:53:30] <api_dwh>
im not sure, but my guess is that the calls wont propogate unless they're being sent directly to the parent frame, or the code knows how to specify a target
- [21:53:54] <manvesh>
okay
- [21:54:02] <api_dwh>
at least if im interpreting targetId properly in rpc.call
- [21:55:19] <api_dwh>
though you should be able to tokenize it yourself by passing the security token that orkut gives you into the iframe
- [21:55:34] <api_dwh>
you could require that be passed back for a successful rpc
- [21:56:29] <api_dwh>
if malicious code has access to your security token, then that's a hole someone on our team will be worrying about :)
- [21:57:37] <manvesh>
:) yes!
- [21:57:50] <manvesh>
this was very helpful, thanks!
- [21:57:57] <api_dwh>
sure, no problem :)
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- [22:10:41] <Vamsi>
jason would u want me to send a mail too ?
- [22:12:08] <Vamsi>
i was directly adding them to directly using url .. http://sandbox.orkut.com/AppDirectorySubmit.aspx?suc=1&gadgetUrl=APP_XML_URL
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- [22:15:28] <Vamsi>
are the open hours over ??
- [22:19:18] <jasonacooper>
Hi Vamsi. Technically yes, but I'm still here. :)
- [22:19:53] <Vamsi>
thank u
- [22:19:55] <jasonacooper>
Go ahead and add them using the directory submission URL, but go ahead and send me a message when all of your apps are submitted.
- [22:20:07] <Vamsi>
im done just mailing u for records :)
- [22:20:20] <Vamsi>
one small request
- [22:20:48] <Vamsi>
We have a big movie coming this weekend "RajiniKanth" is the hero in it .. i think u might have heard about him ?
- [22:23:45] <manvesh>
is anyone getting the error message when testing a new app on orkut sandbox -
- [22:23:47] <manvesh>
Bad, bad server. No donut for you. Unfortunately, the orkut.com server has acted out in an unexpected way. Hopefully, it will return to its helpful self if you try again in a few minutes.
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- [22:24:47] <Vamsi>
try refreshing after some time
- [22:24:55] <jasonacooper>
manvesh: Yes, I've been seeing this a bit this afternoon.
- [22:25:12] <Aakash>
hey, back again :)
- [22:25:26] <Aakash>
jason, i submitted one app today - http://www.orkut.co.in/AppInfo.aspx?appId=1065524958567
- [22:25:48] <Aakash>
it was ported from MySpace, highly popular there
- [22:26:48] <jasonacooper>
Thanks for the note Aakash. I'll make sure it gets reviewed soon.
- [22:27:14] <Vamsi>
it got approved ?
- [22:27:28] <Vamsi>
wow that was fast its in orkut.co.in
- [22:27:31] <Aakash>
no yaar, what about your 25 apps?
- [22:27:43] <Aakash>
submitted them?
- [22:27:46] <Vamsi>
just submitted them
- [22:28:16] <jasonacooper>
Vamsi: Aakash's app hasn't been approved just yet. If you try adding it, you'll see an error.
- [22:28:31] <jasonacooper>
Vamsi: What's the request you mentioned earlier?
- [22:28:41] <Vamsi>
about the Rajinikanth
- [22:28:51] <Vamsi>
i hv puposefully submitted that app first
- [22:28:58] <jasonacooper>
Oh, I see.
- [22:29:02] <Vamsi>
he got a big movie to be released this saturday
- [22:29:12] <jasonacooper>
Gotcha.
- [22:29:15] <Vamsi>
so if we can get atleast his app by friday
- [22:29:24] <Vamsi>
or thursday :D
- [22:29:33] <Vamsi>
then the app wud be a real success :)
- [22:29:49] <Aakash>
Vamsi: which movie?
- [22:29:58] <Vamsi>
Kuselan
- [22:30:09] <Vamsi>
You cannot add more than 25 applications. Please remove one or more below before trying to add a new one.
- [22:30:14] <Vamsi>
im getting this error lol
- [22:30:18] <Vamsi>
one dbt
- [22:30:59] <Vamsi>
is it necessary that i install all the apps on my profile since im the author ??
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- [22:33:54] <jasonacooper>
No, you don't have to have them installed.
- [22:34:05] <jasonacooper>
We just need the XML.
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- [22:37:34] <Vamsi>
Jason u got the mail ?
- [22:38:18] <jasonacooper>
Yes, thanks Vamsi.
- [22:40:31] <Vamsi>
thank you jason, hope all of them get approved soon
- [22:40:42] <jasonacooper>
Thanks for submitting. :)
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- [22:45:42] <Vamsi>
its 4 am .. i think i need to hit the bed now ... good night everyone .. thanks a lot Jason .. have a nice day
- [22:45:56] <jasonacooper>
Good night Vamsi. :)
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- [22:46:14] <Aakash>
good night
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manvesh: was just reading back through the logs; I'm having the same problem (re: no donut)
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