IRC Log for #OpenSocial on 2008-07-09
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- [00:00:07] <Troy_DF>
is the google have anything to I post my opensocial codes?
- [00:00:15] <Troy_DF>
like a svn?
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- [00:13:22] <Troy_DF>
hi! =P
- [00:13:53] <Troy_DF>
How can I host my opensocial project on google?
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- [03:14:03] <kurrik>
Troy_DF: still here?
- [03:14:34] <kurrik>
if it's just xml, you can host it in subversion on code.google.com/p/ or using the Google Gadget Editor
- [03:14:47] <kurrik>
if it's more complex, you should look into App Engine
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- [13:14:14] <Jomyoot>
hi
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- [13:18:23] <Aakash>
hi
- [13:19:21] <Jomyoot>
How is Opensocial for hi5?
- [13:19:45] <Aakash>
its much simmilar to opensocial on Orkut
- [13:20:13] <Aakash>
only a few piece of code has to be changed
- [13:20:14] <Jomyoot>
which means it is usable?
- [13:20:45] <Aakash>
yeah hi5-developer platform is much more advanced than Orkut
- [13:21:15] <Jomyoot>
or should I bother and use hi5's own api
- [13:21:47] <Jomyoot>
is there a book on opensocial?
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- [14:47:31] <Jomyoot>
Is there a module for opensocial ?
- [14:50:01] <agektmr>
what do you mean by module?
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- [14:52:02] <Jomyoot>
Wrong channel I was asking for RUby Module
- [14:53:05] <agektmr>
if you want to ask if there's ruby version of shindig
- [14:53:14] <agektmr>
no. as far as i know
- [14:57:21] <Jomyoot>
Well. Hi5 is my target platform, but the documentation is very very scarce. Would I be better off using Opensocial API because of this?
- [14:59:34] <agektmr>
ok. you intend to develop apps for opensocial particulaly on hi5, i see
- [15:00:20] <Jomyoot>
yes
- [15:00:25] <Jomyoot>
where should I begin
- [15:00:36] <Jomyoot>
I have done facebook app with rails before
- [15:00:42] <Jomyoot>
but i can barely find the same amount of docs here
- [15:01:23] <agektmr>
well, I'm not very familiar with hi5
- [15:02:05] <agektmr>
you better learn basics of opensocial here:
- [15:02:09] <agektmr>
http://opensocial.org
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- [15:03:30] <Jomyoot>
What is purpose of the Javascript API?
- [15:03:58] <agektmr>
it's rather bague question :)
- [15:05:36] <agektmr>
opensocial gadgets are rendered over google gadget specs
- [15:06:49] <agektmr>
you may consider opensocial javascript api is like extension to google gadget
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- [15:30:37] <Jomyoot>
What if I rather have my own website, but be able to interact with users' profie
- [15:30:59] <Jomyoot>
is that possible?
- [15:31:02] <Jomyoot>
It's possible in facebook
- [15:31:20] <agektmr>
it will
- [15:31:33] <agektmr>
opensocial v0.8 has restful api spec
- [15:31:48] <Jomyoot>
What about now? Can I just use the API to browse user's profile's friend list and etc.
- [15:32:06] <agektmr>
myspace and hi5 has their own apis
- [15:32:13] <agektmr>
but they are not opensocial
- [15:32:44] <agektmr>
they will adopt opensocial restful api but there's no implementation exists in market yet
- [15:33:09] <agektmr>
shindig developer guys are hustling to finish it
- [15:33:09] <Jomyoot>
Do they require authentication and etc.?
- [15:33:23] <Jomyoot>
i need to understand shindig
- [15:33:39] <agektmr>
shindig needs oauth auth
- [15:33:43] <agektmr>
for restful api
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- [15:45:49] <Jomyoot>
Is there a book on opensocial?
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- [15:49:29] <agektmr>
not yet
- [15:50:42] <agektmr>
i mean, as far as i know :) I don't even know where you live and how they doing :P
- [15:53:38] <agektmr>
oreilly should release opensocial book
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- [16:33:45] <agektmr>
jomyoot, I'll leave. good luck with your work!
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- [16:38:15] <mNeo>
kurrik, you there?
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- [16:47:59] <GabeW>
having a mini-argument at the old water cooler - can message attribute URLs (on a Locale element) be relative or do they have to be absolute?
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- [16:53:29] <GabeW>
or examples disproving the absolute requirement would be great
- [16:56:32] <kurrik>
hi I'm herer
- [16:56:34] <kurrik>
here
- [16:57:02] <GabeW>
heh
- [16:57:14] <kurrik>
anything relative would be relative to the gadget rendering server, so I don't think that's possible right now
- [16:57:33] <GabeW>
cuz i have a developer who is sweaering it is possible
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- [16:58:17] <GabeW>
kurrik: gadget rendering server is different than the container?
- [16:58:32] <kurrik>
here's the thread that's talking about relative paths:
- [16:58:33] <kurrik>
http://groups.google.com/group/opensocial-and-gadgets-spec/browse_thread/thread/50722f096c7a5746/9b2e40d61d837208
- [16:58:45] <GabeW>
cool thanks
- [16:58:50] <GabeW>
I have to get on a call
- [16:58:51] <GabeW>
bebl
- [16:58:58] <mNeo>
hey kurrik
- [16:59:05] <kurrik>
hi
- [16:59:15] <mNeo>
I am having trouble getting the "images" from the resource bundle
- [16:59:33] <mNeo>
text shows up in the right language, but the images are still taken from the default bundle
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- [17:24:57] <mNeo>
Hey kurrik, even now, if you run the app in sandbox, the canvas page doesn't show the images :(
- [17:27:17] <kurrik>
looks like they're loading, just very slowly
- [17:28:35] <kurrik>
nope not all of them
- [17:28:37] <kurrik>
hm
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- [17:32:15] <kurrik>
weird, looks like rewriting is messing up your gadget
- [17:32:54] <kurrik>
try using this feature
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http://orkutdeveloper.blogspot.com/2008/06/rewriting-returns-to-sandbox.html
- [17:33:15] <kurrik>
using the following
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<Param name="exclude-urls">\.gif|\.png</Param>
- [17:34:30] <kurrik>
let me know if that works
- [17:35:28] <kurrik>
or did you change your gadget spec recently? with bpc=1 it works
- [17:36:09] <mNeo>
yeah, with bpc=1 it is working now
- [17:36:53] <kurrik>
I think that may just be because bpc turns off the url rewriting
- [17:36:54] <mNeo>
Funny thing was that some images (which were reloaded on mouse-over) were showing up on mouse-overs. But not at initial load
- [17:37:03] <kurrik>
yeah what I think is happening
- [17:37:13] <kurrik>
your code like
- [17:37:14] <kurrik>
<img src="__MSG_VOTEFORME__"
- [17:37:24] <kurrik>
is being rewritten as
- [17:38:15] <kurrik>
<img src="http://3.sandbox.gmodules.com/gadgets/proxy?refresh=86400&url=http%3A%2F%2Fyourdomain.com%2F__MSG_VOTEFORME__"
- [17:38:30] <kurrik>
then __MSG_VOTEFORME__ is being replaced
- [17:38:38] <kurrik>
which is an incorrect url
- [17:39:02] <kurrik>
for some reason, it's adding http%3A%2F%2Fyourdomain.com before the url
- [17:39:19] <kurrik>
I think that's because it thinks that __MSG_VOTEFORME__ is a relative url and wants to resolve it
- [17:39:31] <kurrik>
so the image is broken
- [17:39:50] <kurrik>
when you mouseover, the code you have probably changes the src attribute to the correct rollover value, which isn't rewritten
- [17:40:00] <mNeo>
I see. So the string-replacement from bundles doesn't happen "before" this proxying process?
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- [17:40:30] <kurrik>
doesn't look like it, but it should
- [17:40:40] <kurrik>
following up with the orkut team now
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- [17:40:51] <mNeo>
I see. Thank you for that.
- [17:41:02] <mNeo>
However, we don't see this problem on www.orkut
- [17:41:25] <kurrik>
yeah, it's probably a new feature that was pushed
- [17:41:30] <mNeo>
oh
- [17:41:42] <kurrik>
disable rewriting according to http://orkutdeveloper.blogspot.com/2008/06/rewriting-returns-to-sandbox.html
- [17:42:00] <kurrik>
try disabling all of it right now
- [17:42:03] <kurrik>
if that works, I think my theory is correct
- [17:42:26] <mNeo>
ok
- [17:46:14] <mNeo>
So this is what I did:
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<Optional feature="content-rewrite">
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<Param name="exclude-urls">\.gif|\.png</Param>
- [17:46:26] <mNeo>
</Optional>
- [17:46:45] <mNeo>
And then put this as a new XML (For already used XMLs, I can't refresh them with bpc=1)
- [17:46:57] <mNeo>
I still got the same problem
- [17:47:00] <kurrik>
hm
- [17:47:07] <kurrik>
oh wait, it probably won't match that
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- [17:47:19] <kurrik>
since it's rewriting __MSG_NAME__ instead of the image url
- [17:47:20] <mNeo>
Address for one of the image: http://1.sandbox.gmodules.com/gadgets/proxy?refresh=86400&url=http%3A%2F%2Fhotameter.com%2Fhttp://a337.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_fca248a283b6e6584056a58749998e20.png&gadget=http%3A%2F%2Fhotameter.com%2Forkut1.xml&fp=1516281861
- [17:47:30] <kurrik>
yeah
- [17:48:06] <kurrik>
use <Param name="exclude-urls">__MSG_\w+__</Param>?
- [17:48:06] <mNeo>
So I should match __MSG_.* ?
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- [17:48:15] <kurrik>
or just use .* right now
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- [17:49:41] <mNeo>
URL now: http://hotameter.com/http://a337.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_fca248a283b6e6584056a58749998e20.png
- [17:50:22] <mNeo>
should have been http://a337.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/39/l_fca248a283b6e6584056a58749998e20.png
- [17:51:12] <kurrik>
right, because it's still trying to resolve the relative path
- [17:51:18] <kurrik>
:(
- [17:52:13] <mNeo>
Sorry, I didn't get that. So, the msg is ignored by the proxy now. Then where and how is http://hotameter.com getting added?
- [17:53:02] <kurrik>
so I'm not familiar with this functionality because it looks like it was brand new
- [17:53:26] <kurrik>
but what's happening is it looks like they tried to add relative path support
- [17:53:33] <kurrik>
GabeW: looks like I was wrong :(
- [17:53:55] <kurrik>
and now it sees __MSG_NAME__ as a relative path, because it doesn't start with http:// or anything
- [17:54:06] <kurrik>
so it adds the domain of your gadget xml
- [17:54:17] <kurrik>
and then does the message bundle substitution
- [17:54:22] <kurrik>
so I see two solutions
- [17:54:28] <kurrik>
1.) wait for them to fix it
- [17:54:34] <mNeo>
aaaah
- [17:54:50] <kurrik>
2.) change your image urls to http://__MSG_NAME__
- [17:55:07] <kurrik>
and then change the message bundles to have the urls be like
- [17:55:15] <kurrik>
domain.com/path/to/image.png
- [17:55:18] <kurrik>
instead of
- [17:55:26] <kurrik>
http://domain.com/path/to/image.png
- [17:55:35] <kurrik>
does that make sense?
- [17:56:00] <mNeo>
yeah .. I am thinking if this is future-changes safe
- [17:56:17] <mNeo>
yeah it is
- [17:56:25] <kurrik>
I doubt the current behavior will make it to production
- [17:56:40] <kurrik>
stuff like this is why we have the sandbox ;)
- [17:56:44] <mNeo>
lol
- [17:57:12] <mNeo>
I think I can do option 2
- [17:57:16] <GabeW>
kurrik: ok, darnit, I'm gonna have to eat crow ;)
- [17:57:30] <mNeo>
Do you see any problem with this approach going forward?
- [17:57:39] <kurrik>
you can let them know that a googler has to eat crow as well ;)
- [17:58:05] <kurrik>
mNeo, not really, just that it's a little bit awkward to manage
- [17:58:24] <mNeo>
That's fine. Thanks. Let us make the change and report back
- [17:58:30] <kurrik>
not so bad though, a couple find/replace queries can change it to / from
- [18:01:26] <mNeo>
One more question: For now, the images will not be proxied, but I can hope that at some point the proxying of images will happen "after" bundling?
- [18:01:54] <mNeo>
Okay, that sentence is confusing.
- [18:02:43] <kurrik>
I think I get it
- [18:02:47] <mNeo>
ok :)
- [18:03:10] <kurrik>
hold on a sec
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- [18:16:19] <kurrik>
ok managed to intercept the guys in the hallway
- [18:18:38] <mNeo>
:)
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- [18:39:12] <kurrik>
so I made a test gadget to reproduce the problem
- [18:39:13] <kurrik>
http://graargh.returnstrue.com/bugs/bug_rewriting_relative.xml
- [18:39:19] <kurrik>
which causes the same error
- [18:39:25] <kurrik>
but to test disabling the rewriter
- [18:39:34] <kurrik>
I made this:
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http://graargh.returnstrue.com/bugs/bug_rewriting_relative_disabled.xml
- [18:39:43] <kurrik>
which winds up displaying the correct image
- [18:40:21] <kurrik>
using
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<Param name="exclude-urls">__MSG_.*</Param>
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- [18:50:21] <mNeo>
I am also done with the changes. If i put http://__MSG_ then everything works
- [18:50:42] <kurrik>
cool
- [18:52:38] <mNeo>
The only remaining problem is makeRequests failing in sandbox :-(
- [18:53:30] <kurrik>
ugh
- [18:53:37] <kurrik>
let me know what you can reproduce
- [18:53:42] <kurrik>
going to lunch, back later
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- [20:23:44] <skatista>
I'm trying to request friend list for an user ID on canvas view but I can't found the reference to get it. Is it possible to get this information on opensocial v0.7 and how can I get it?
- [20:29:54] <kurrik>
just an arbitrary user id?
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- [20:47:38] <skatista>
kurrik, nop... I have the user ID...
- [20:52:40] <kurrik>
right, but by ID
- [20:52:42] <kurrik>
?
- [20:52:55] <kurrik>
not VIEWER_FRIENDS, right?
- [20:54:13] <kurrik>
fetching friends by ID isn't currently possible in 0.7
- [20:54:18] <kurrik>
it will be possible in 0.8
- [20:57:25] <skatista>
yes.... it's that I want... very thanks ;)
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- [22:54:19] <techBrains>
is jason around?
- [22:55:40] <techBrains>
hello kurrik
- [22:56:26] <kurrik>
hey, sorry
- [22:56:28] <kurrik>
was afk
- [22:56:50] <techBrains>
its ok, till what time today are you guys reviewing applications...?
- [22:58:32] <techBrains>
my application was last reviewed by jason and he asked me to remove a small bug...
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- [22:59:43] <kurrik>
hm I'm not sure if he'll have much more time today
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- [22:59:50] <techBrains>
i removed the bug and replied back within an hour... i just want to know if it would get approved today itself...
- [22:59:58] <kurrik>
I'll tell him
- [23:00:11] <kurrik>
we've got kind of a long meeting in about a minute
- [23:00:20] <kurrik>
which app?
- [23:00:29] <techBrains>
'Namez', thats the name of my app
- [23:01:04] <kurrik>
ok
- [23:01:12] <techBrains>
ok, thanks...
- [23:01:15] <kurrik>
I've passed him the message
- [23:01:21] <kurrik>
gotta run though ;)
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