IRC Log for #OpenSocial on 2008-06-21

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  9. [00:57:05] <mehmet> hi, im a student at the university of Karlsruhe (germany). Im Working on my diploma thesis "Connecting Social Networks" and i have a few questions about opensocial and sso features from Opensocial. is anybody here who could help me a little bit
  10. [00:57:27] <mehmet> are answer me some questions ?
  11. [01:01:20] <mehmet> or answer me some questions ?
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  16. [01:38:32] <besquared> mehmet what questions
  17. [01:40:10] <mehmet> what kind of SSO features has opensocial at the moment. Im looking for a solution in my work and im not sure if it is possibl with opensocial
  18. [01:40:58] <besquared> what's SSO stand for
  19. [01:41:50] <besquared> single sign on?
  20. [01:42:33] <mehmet> in my work im planning to connect 2 or 3 running web communities. i looking for a solution that a user doenst have to register to all web sites. He should only register to one website, but should be able to act as a usual User on a diferent website. If both web sites work in a kind of federation together. Of course both web sites net a trusted relationship and a service for identity prroviding
  21. [01:43:14] <besquared> so opensocial right now isn't about data portability.. it's more about creating containers for individual networks..
  22. [01:43:39] <besquared> so in theory you could use API features to pull in data from various places..
  23. [01:44:06] <besquared> like you could pull data from facebook, myspace, etc.. but they would have to be signed up on those sites.. and the interaction would be rather limited
  24. [01:44:49] <besquared> you'd need something like all sites supporting openid and oauth access tokens
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  27. [01:46:39] <mehmet> hmm ok, so i need something else to solve the problem. I stumpled on liberty alliance and it looks lke this project is excatly what i need. But i wanted to be sure, that opensocial does not have this kind of features
  28. [01:46:58] <besquared> not right now
  29. [01:47:39] <mehmet> but im not sure about liberty alliance. It looks like it is aming on business people not to Web communites
  30. [01:48:23] <besquared> well it probably needs technology and communities to back it
  31. [01:48:33] <besquared> actually I have a friend who is interested in this kind of thing
  32. [01:49:16] <mehmet> what is your friend doing ? Couse "this kind of thing" will be my work for the next months
  33. [01:50:36] <mehmet> i wondering that opensocial does not have sso. I found some blogs/sites where SSO with opensocial is proposed. Even somehting from Oracle
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  35. [01:50:52] <besquared> mehmet samsm knows a lot about identity on the internet
  36. [01:50:58] <besquared> and social networks and whatnot
  37. [01:51:08] <besquared> you should ask him what projects out there are valuable and who is doing what
  38. [01:51:15] <besquared> especially in relation to data portability and stuff
  39. [01:51:49] <samsm> A lot and/or very little. Depending upon your perspective.
  40. [01:52:39] <mehmet> ok, samsm did you read the history from the Channel. What i was taling with besquared ?
  41. [01:52:52] <mehmet> talking with besquared ?
  42. [01:54:00] <samsm> I'll be up to date in 5. :)
  43. [01:54:32] <mehmet> ?
  44. [01:54:48] <mehmet> sorry im not native english speaker.
  45. [01:55:06] <samsm> I'm reading the logs now. :)
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  47. [02:01:18] <samsm> Opensocial doesn't sound insane for what you are doing. You'd have to convert all three applications to opensocial apps and add a fourth application to serve as canister.
  48. [02:09:11] <mehmet> hmm, i planned to rewrite my web sites, cause it doe not have at the moment anything to provide this functionality. And the New website was planned to make it avaiable to those other websites. Cause they have nearly the same feature and same target audience
  49. [02:10:00] <mehmet> the only differnce is that they are targetting just different regions in germany
  50. [02:10:41] <mehmet> of course with changeable layout, so every sites has it own Coorparte identity
  51. [02:11:46] <mehmet> do you know something, what suites good for identity providing ?
  52. [02:12:23] <samsm> Openid could do what you want.
  53. [02:13:03] <samsm> Most providers demand you type a full openid url. You could have people type just usernames, and under the hood they are handled by openid.
  54. [02:13:48] <samsm> The harder part might be the communication between those applications, which could be handled by oath or some other custom setup (since you are in control of everything).
  55. [02:16:05] <mehmet> Open-Id was one of my options. Im looking for a widely used solution. I found three suitable: Liberty Alliance, Shibboleth nad openid. But im not sure which of them are used in this context
  56. [02:16:41] <mehmet> maybe there are even some Web communites which use one of this for interacting between them.
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  58. [02:19:34] <mehmet> Maybe in future many others web sites use something like this, and every user from one of this web sites could interact with Users from other web sites. Friendship, private messages and all this stuff could work across web sites. And i dont wanna use a solution which is not widely used
  59. [02:20:11] <samsm> Depending on your definition of "widely used" nothing like that exists.
  60. [02:20:16] <mehmet> thats the reason why im asking
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  62. [02:20:53] <samsm> Looking to the future, it seems like openid has the best support, but it hasn't had a ton of traction.
  63. [02:21:58] <mehmet> yes thats right. Liberty Alliance has over 100 Members but mostly Business members. Shibboleths members are mostly from Education and research.
  64. [02:22:57] <mehmet> but for simple web communites noting is propagated. Or web communites are not interested in using this. Cause they live from registered Users
  65. [02:23:17] <samsm> I think/hope that will change.
  66. [02:23:41] <mehmet> i hope i can d osomthing with my Dimploma thesis
  67. [02:23:54] <mehmet> even if it is only a little
  68. [02:24:14] <samsm> If that ever happens, it would decrease the need for things like opensocial.
  69. [02:24:50] <samsm> Most of the point is interacting with the data from the canister.
  70. [02:25:43] <samsm> Maybe it would be the same, but the canister would be the Internet. Or ... something more coherent than that.
  71. [02:25:58] <mehmet> tahts right
  72. [02:30:32] <mehmet> but for my ideas, like friendship across web sites. It could only be done with Web services, and for this Libery alliance woulkd be really good solution, or something similar.
  73. [02:31:01] <mehmet> I thnik i have to ask somebody of those projects if they have interest for such kind of members
  74. [02:31:55] <mehmet> and of course a predefined Namespace would be great, so many other web sites could take part, without misunderstoods
  75. [02:32:23] <samsm> xfn can represent friendships across domains.
  76. [02:35:29] <mehmet> hmm nerver heard of xfn. I thought to represent friendships like relationship in famous Social networks (facebook). But with a additional information from which website the friend are. This coukld be done with a web service, where every single relationship is "registered" from the websites. And if one user clicks on a profile from a different websites, the web service looks for a relationship between them.
  77. [02:37:13] <mehmet> of course something like data privycy is needed here. Otherwise the Admin of this web services woulkd have all personal data from every User who has a freindship
  78. [02:38:17] <mehmet> i have a question about xfn. Can xfn represent friendships of n-th grade
  79. [02:38:19] <mehmet> ?
  80. [02:38:33] <samsm> You mean friends of friends?
  81. [02:38:59] <mehmet> yes
  82. [02:39:16] <samsm> No, and I don't see how they reliably could.
  83. [02:39:45] <samsm> I mean ... you could spider relationships and get that info.
  84. [02:40:09] <samsm> But one identity page A can't say that page B likes page C.
  85. [02:40:16] <mehmet> are ok. I wanna have relationship like this - A Knows B Knows C knows D knows E
  86. [02:41:28] <mehmet> right, but wen every web sites "register" relation ships to a trusted "relation ship Web service", the web service could be asked, and give an answer if User A knows User X
  87. [02:42:12] <samsm> That's pretty much like what Google does today.
  88. [02:42:27] <mehmet> but here is a big need for thrusted services.
  89. [02:43:29] <mehmet> Google where ? Do you have additional infos. But i think google does not give does kind of infos away. AM i right ?
  90. [02:43:57] <samsm> I'm just saying it would be that sort of technology. Essentially a cache.
  91. [02:44:04] <mehmet> or does not have any interest, that somebody else does this kind of web services
  92. [02:44:12] <mehmet> ahh ok
  93. [02:44:40] <samsm> If you have a centralized trust authority, you are on your way back to "just Facebook".
  94. [02:45:32] <mehmet> but if everbody could take part in this circle of trust, and every body could run its own Service it would be alittle be different
  95. [02:46:19] <samsm> I don't think I understand.
  96. [02:46:49] <mehmet> hmm, wait
  97. [02:51:23] <mehmet> i dont want to be the only trusted authority, i just want a kind of system/framework for interacting between websites. And for example where one authority has a service for relationship, and another authority has a service for web galleries antoher has a service for Chatrooms and so on. And everbody from a web sites which is in this trusted federation, could use those web services. For example. Nearly every site has forum or the ability
  98. [02:51:23] <mehmet> for sending messages between the Users. But i wuld wish a System, where USer A from Site X can post something in a forum from Site Z
  99. [02:52:23] <mehmet> or User A from Site X send a messages to USer B from site Z, and the User B see this messages is from user A from site X
  100. [02:54:16] <mehmet> of course for relationship there is a central service needed, otherwise freindships would not be consistent. Or Different friendship services change their data
  101. [02:54:50] <mehmet> exchange the data
  102. [02:55:02] <mehmet> between thes relationship services
  103. [02:55:19] <mehmet> now a little more clearer ?
  104. [02:56:18] <mehmet> im sorry for my typo
  105. [02:56:33] <mehmet> sometimes my fingers are to slow for my brain ;)
  106. [03:03:08] <mehmet> did you fall from your cahir ?
  107. [03:03:11] <mehmet> chair ?
  108. [03:03:14] <mehmet> :d
  109. [03:09:40] <samsm> Watched a tv show. :)
  110. [03:09:59] <mehmet> hehe, ok but i thnank for you help
  111. [03:10:15] <mehmet> it helped me a lot
  112. [03:10:42] <mehmet> maybe i will be back here for some addiotional questions
  113. [03:12:05] <samsm> I'm typically on #openid . Data portability might have a perspective for you too.
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  130. [05:28:23] <joemur> hey Suhail
  131. [05:28:33] <Suhail> joemur: hola
  132. [05:28:50] <joemur> I guess I'll be meeting you soon :-\
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  172. [11:31:20] <shreyank> hey all....
  173. [11:31:49] <shreyank> can a flash button be cached by this technique
  174. [11:31:56] <shreyank> <Preload href="http://www.example.com" />
  175. [11:32:15] <shreyank> <Preload href="http://www.example.com/flash.sw" />
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  195. [16:47:16] <jwtodd> hey all
  196. [16:47:19] <jwtodd> quick question ...
  197. [16:47:46] <jwtodd> i'd like to implement a "invite friend" from (gmail, aol, hotmail, yahoo) feature
  198. [16:48:00] <jwtodd> there are various free and for pay java solutions ...
  199. [16:48:24] <jwtodd> just wondering if the same function can be performed via opensocial proper?
  200. [16:48:26] <jwtodd> thx
  201. [16:51:23] <jwtodd> elloooooo
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  209. [17:18:40] * desu (n=me@unaffiliated/desu) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
  210. [17:18:41] * desudesu is now known as desu
  211. [17:28:44] * warreng (n=warren@c-76-114-207-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net) Quit ()
  212. [17:33:39] <jwtodd> does opensocial allow one to retrieve one's contacts email addresses?
  213. [17:36:16] * desudesu (n=me@unaffiliated/desu) has joined #opensocial
  214. [17:37:18] <jwtodd> ellloooooooooo
  215. [17:38:34] * warreng (n=warren@c-76-114-207-182.hsd1.va.comcast.net) has joined #opensocial
  216. [17:38:36] * desu (n=me@unaffiliated/desu) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
  217. [17:38:38] * desudesu is now known as desu
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  221. [19:03:04] * Infinito_ (n=yingyang@200-101-125-55.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) Quit ("Leaving")
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  223. [19:13:34] * The_PHP_Jedi (n=ThePHPJe@unaffiliated/thephpjedi/x-000002) Quit (Client Quit)
  224. [19:30:41] * petea (n=pandrews@76.14.62.217) Quit ()
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  226. [19:47:17] * Peter_J-L (n=chatzill@51.31.219.209.transedge.com) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.82.1 [Firefox 3.0/2008052906]")
  227. [19:51:22] * kingfish1_ (n=kf@cpe-72-177-56-60.austin.res.rr.com) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
  228. [20:41:16] * aakash (i=7aa74a09@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c3fa53667387dfd5) has joined #opensocial
  229. [20:43:11] * oreoferret (n=oreoferr@38.105.65.83) Quit ()
  230. [20:49:38] <jwtodd> ellloooooo
  231. [20:53:31] <aakash> hi
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  233. [21:08:37] * aakash (i=7aa74a09@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-c3fa53667387dfd5) Quit ("http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client")
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  238. [22:03:37] * desudesu (n=me@unaffiliated/desu) Quit ("Read Error: Connection reset by peer pressure")
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  240. [22:46:11] * Infinito_ (n=yingyang@200-101-125-55.gnace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) Quit ("Leaving")

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